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[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi Evan. Hi Christina. Today we're talking about AI. We are artificial intelligence.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to be like, what do you think about AI? But that's like the stupidest question.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Very broad. Very broad. We're specifically thinking about obviously the intersection between AI

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and bisexuality. Some may say there is none, but we disagree. And this is actually kind of a continuation

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: of a very early conversation we had on the show about people who were experiencing like being

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: diagnosed by algorithms. Like people getting like queer TikToks and then being like, wait I am

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_00]: queer. And feeling that the algorithm like spotted that before they had. So we had a discussion

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: about that a long time ago when we were like, what even is TikTok? We are old. We don't know.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it was in like one of probably like our first five episodes. Yeah. Maybe bi net.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was the bi net. Yeah. And obviously now with like chat GPT and other AI tools and things

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: there's like more, there's more going on with AI that like intersects with our personal

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: liars, intersects with our daily lives. And so we just wanted to chat about that.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I think before we like get into it a basic thing about AI that I certainly am not an AI expert

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: neither of us are. I do have some familiarity in like a professional context and I'm also kind of

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: curious about this like as an ongoing conversation. And I think one thing that people maybe like

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: don't realize or don't know when we're talking about like chatbots or really like generative AI in

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: general is essentially the way that it works is the algorithm, the AI is like what it is

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: ostensibly asking what is the next most likely word or pixel or whatever in this

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: scenario that wasn't well phrased but like it's trying to like it's like autofill but more complex.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. Like it is based on all of the data that has been fed into it. It's like well nine times

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_01]: out of 10 this word follows this word and that is how it is building sentences and it's the

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: same thing for like AI art. It's not you know this is what's the most the next most likely

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: pixel is in this scenario which is why like you can end up with AI generated text that like

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you can have it generate a legal document and it will like say all the things a legal document

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: should say or like have it create something that looks like a painting and be like yeah

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_01]: this does look like a painting but it's also why you'll end up with like the problem with

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_01]: making something predictive in that way where it's like what's the next most likely thing to happen

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_01]: is you're not going to get anything original except by accident because it's it's aggregating

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: information. Yeah it's not very interesting. No so like legal document totally fine because

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: those all pretty much read the same. Yeah those are not supposed to be unique and interesting.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: A novel very different and yeah won't really make sense unless there's like a lot of human

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: intervention. Yeah so there are people who are doing like cool things with kind of guiding AI

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_01]: but just as a base level what it spits out is always going to be an iteration of what's been fed

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: into it. Yeah there's also why you see so much bias in the content that it produces because it

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: was fed by the things that humans make. Yes and there are various things that like

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: people working in that AI are doing to try and like prevent that or improve that but at the core

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: level it's only ever going to feed, it's only ever going to spit out a reiteration of what has been

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: put into it. Yeah and so it's not really generating anything new. Yeah or it's you know

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: a new thing that's just a manufacturer of an old thing like yeah there's a lot of implications

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: for that in you know the world of art making or whatever which is not what we're talking about today

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's context. Yes because I think it's something that feels maybe I don't know mysterious to some

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: people and worth like I don't know articulating like it's not the computer is not thinking

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in the way that like a human brain is thinking. Or is it are we just computers?

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: No because we are in fact not that logical. True that is very true

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's actually it's very like oh what is the name in that game show the survey says

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Family Feud. Yes it's like Family Feud where you're like what is the what did most people answer

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to this question? Chat GPT would kill at Family Feud. That's so true that's a great comparison

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that was so funny yeah and I think like uh sometimes when we're talking about art

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about how like you're not really you're not ever making anything new you're like

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: pulling from what you have experienced and what you know and I think that is a conversation

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_00]: that happens in the art world but I think that like us not making something new is different

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: from the way that a computer doesn't make something new because we can do interesting things

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: with existing stuff. I'm thinking about in the chat book you're working on you have some blackout

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: poems and I'm like what would like and they're very good and very interesting and like engaging with

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the source material in interesting ways and I'm like a chatbot could never and I want to see

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_00]: what Chat GPT would do if I was like do a blackout poem of this unhinged text that I received.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's I suppose some context but the reason that we wanted to talk about it

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: on the show is in the same way that with people being like TikTok made me realize I'm bisexual

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: or that I have ADHD or any variety of things. We wanted to talk about what are the like positives

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and negatives or like potential outcomes of people using like instead of taking a

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: MI bisexual quiz asking Chat GPT like what might that mean we don't have time to do the thing

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: that we like to do where we would just take an internet quiz live. So we can't like we will not

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: be live interviewing Chat GPT if only but that is kind of the realm that we're yeah that we're

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: live interviewing but I have played around with it. I do a few things at work that like where Chat

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: GPT can be supportive. I have tried like recipe things where I'll be like I have these five

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: ingredients what can I do and the food never sounds interesting to me. But I have tried to

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like have personal conversations with Chat GPT because I know several people who do that

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_00]: who are like Chat I'm like going through this hard thing and I want to talk about it with someone

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm going to tell you and like the things I've like chaotically been like should I move out of my

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: house should I break up with my partner like just to see what it does like what the parameters

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: are not because I'm trying to move out or break up with my partner just to mess with Chat GPT

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and it'll be like I'm not qualified to talk about that you should go talk to a therapist

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_00]: but I also feel like if I got more minute and especially like thinking about like if I was asking

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: it am I bisexual how do I know I'm having experience like I wonder what that would be like

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and also like what it's like to develop a relationship with it and also to like get

[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_00]: that personal feedback in a very like isolated way. Yeah well and so the thing about these

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: like a chat bot is that you can like quote unquote train it so if you the way that you ask questions

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: matters yeah and like whether you are starting a new chat or like maintaining the same chat and

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like what you're feeding into it all affects the kind of results that you get yeah but for

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: instance like if you straight up ask Chat GPT a legal question it will be like I'm not qualified

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you're like what if for example yeah I wanted you know whatever legal document that you

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: want it will then give it to you so you could you know you can trick it and on the one hand I'm like

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I guess this isn't significantly different than taking an internet quiz like which as we've

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: seen on the show can vary and some of them are like really cute and supportive and some of them

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: are like really weird and confusing and some of them are toxic true but they all ask you questions

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that's like a difference I think because I've never seen chat GPT at least like ask for clarification

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: it just takes what you say and then runs with it where which not that that makes a quiz more

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: advanced but I do think like the difference between like chatting with the therapist online

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: or talking to a friend is that like I can be like I'm feeling this way and you can say

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: what do you mean by that deep like can you clarify this and like get to like a truer right

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: definition of my experience whereas chat is just taking what you say at face value which is

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes nice like if I want to talk my shit I don't want questions I just want to talk

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to be heard but I do think that like that's an interesting distinction between

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like taking an online quiz and going on chat it all though will depend on your prompt because

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: if you tell it to ask you questions yeah it will so if you're like ask me a question generate a quiz

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that's funny yeah it depends on what you start with which is interesting I

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I would never want to be like don't investigate if you're queer like you definitely do that

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but also feel like we're like so willing to give up our own self-knowledge

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah in favor of like what someone else tells us yep and it I could see I mean I think this

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: happens across the board but particularly with younger people like the mysteriousness of AI

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: like investing that with extra knowledge or something like maybe more than you would with a quiz

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and the idea that like this is somehow in I think maybe in the same way that like with

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the TikTok algorithm being like well it knows what my behavior is and so like it knows something about

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: me that I didn't know and it's like well what it knows is how people in the aggregate behave

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like it's not about you I don't know everything is about me how dare you yeah and that's why I

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: think it's helpful that you gave that like overview of like here's kind of how it works

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_00]: looking for like the most likely thing because it's not doing some kind of secret magic

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: or like getting to know like it's not like a little FBI agent like we like to joke at least I don't

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: think so but you're so right that it's like easy for us to like give authority to things that are

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: our own thoughts yeah you also don't know the specifics of what it's been trained on

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: so for instance we could train a chat bot on transcripts of the bipod can you imagine

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you could then chat with quote unquote us you could be like well it would then say based on

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what Christina and Evan have said on the bipod here's the most likely response

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: that you would get yeah which on the one hand would not be an accurate representation of our

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: brains because you know we're complex very complex would perhaps represent like what we have said on

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the show there's some amount of like again because the computer is not like thinking it's not it's

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not analyzing the text and being like well in this scenario Christina would say this

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah in this other scenario Christina would say this

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: unless those scenarios are reflected like in the source material yeah

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but it would yeah it would give you like what the most likely next word to have been said and so on

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: based on you know like what we've said on this show for instance yeah which is very different than

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you just synthesized Wikipedia or like there's no

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they're looking at vast data sets if we're talking about something like chat GPT

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but also like yeah you have no idea like what it is pulling from yeah yeah um

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: it also I love to give this example because AI I think and it continues to improve in this regard

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but it does hallucinate like if there's a gap in its knowledge sometimes it like will make something up

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_00]: because it because it's yeah it's like well it seems likely and I work my day job at work

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: in academic publishing and one time we had an author like use chat GPT to like do some partner

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_00]: chapter I didn't read it but the only reason that we caught it was that chat GPT Hulu stated a

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_00]: version of the bible that doesn't exist and her editor happened to be married to a theologian so

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like I don't know I could name like two versions of the bible that's about it like this one person

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_00]: happened to be like I have extensive knowledge of this and I know that this is fake yeah and I

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: like to use that example because like even as that improves like there's just it's still

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: bullshitting you just like anybody else would be yeah well because again it isn't it can't fact

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: check itself to the extent that like and again I don't know all of the safeguards of the extent

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: of all that's being built in but if all it is doing is what is the next most likely word

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in this scenario like it will essentially make things up yeah because it doesn't say like oh

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a gap in my knowledge it just proceeds as though it does know everything so like I used

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it in one case to um I was trying to like draft a bio um and so it will just like make up

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: biographical information to fill in like well based on these things that you said yeah you

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: know you might have done this thing which I think is really funny that is funny um but

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: if that's you know if you were like how do I tell if I'm bisexual it might be like

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_00]: make something up about how to yeah go in the mirror and say buy three times

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and even the the language isn't quite right because to say make something up

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_01]: implies that there is like intent which is false there's no one time yeah that's what I was

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_00]: going to say is I think it like matters especially if like we're talking about things that are

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: deeply personal yeah um when you're talking to another person that person has some ethic and some

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of intent might not be good but they have like some positionality um like if you write into us

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: about your queerness we are interested in affirming you and being honest with you um if you say the

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: same thing in chat gbt chat gbt is interested in predicting the most likely next thing they're

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: not interested in affirming you they're not interested in correcting you or anything like

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_00]: that which in some cases is fine but I think that like it's so weird to be able to like have a

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_00]: conversation which like feels like an inherently human experience with something that like is missing

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: those kind of fundamental human qualities that like make communication what it is yeah

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think before we started recording this episode we're like we'll talk about like some of the

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I I don't think it's a good position to take to just be like AI is bad sure um because it is much

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: more nuanced yeah not um but I also find it hard to not be skeptical of it being used in

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: personal situations basically like yeah I it just I'm like yeah somebody's gonna be like can't hire a

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: therapist like here's our chat bot yeah and that exists that's like a thing that they're trying

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: out right now yeah which you imagine is like actually what if we solve structural problems

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: instead of trying to um what if folks could afford healthcare yeah what if our answer wasn't like

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Silicon Valley will save us and instead we like actually did to anything else yeah um

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: which is you know separate from the specifics of how this applies to buy or queer people but

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: is the context in which it exists and we did not just love the coconut tree

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: every episode is gonna have a coconut tree and by the time this comes out that

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_00]: joke is gonna be so old I don't care yeah and I think like especially thinking about queer people

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: because I mean like you said with AI like you can generate a recipe you can have it draft a legal

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: doc like there are uses for it I don't think people should have to work harder than they need

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to like if it's supportive to you and the things that you need sure but in terms of like

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: queer people being supported and finding themselves I think like our liberation is in community

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and individualism is killing us like generally um will be the death of humanity and I think

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just important that we keep that in perspective that like it is super valuable

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_00]: for me to talk to you and other folks about like my queer experiences because it's affirming

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: it's world building it's fun it feels good um and to do the same thing with a chat bot

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't get that ongoing support you don't get to be known um which doesn't mean that there

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: are no uses but I think like if you're on tiktok for example and you get diagnosed as queer um

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like the next step hopefully would be to like once you're like oh wait maybe this is true

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_00]: would be to like talk to the people in your life who you trust about it and like have some support

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: rather than I just think it's isolating like it can be very isolating that's what worries me

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_00]: about it I guess yeah and it becomes an echo chamber because it's just you talking to yourself

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the day yes and I think it's like flattening because also even if it is pulling from

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: a multiplicity of sources it's going to present it all like some unified yeah thing yeah and so

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: you're sort of being spoken to with a singular voice even though the I'm gonna call the source

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: material thoughts like even though it's the thoughts of many different people it's being

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of squashed into one thing which I feel like a lot missing there yeah yeah and like you and I

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: over the past few months have like had conversations for example about like what does attraction

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: feel like to you what does romance feel like to you we've like been talking about that with

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: multiple friends yeah asking similar questions getting wildly different answers

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and if we just like had that conversation with chat tbt it would have to sort like somehow

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: make it seem like there's just the one it might give you a list of goals for the best and then

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_01]: be like but everyone's different yeah but then you get no context cool well I could have gone

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to Buzzfeed for that yeah people are different anyways yeah I just think that like the I don't

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: know like the richness of the human experience is in finding the ways that we are the same and

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: different from each other yeah um and I mean like as the data points get more and more like

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_00]: accurate and pointed um I think that it just becomes more and more about like making us buy

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: things and like making us uh feel like we need to consume more um and one of the first steps to

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like getting into our heads that way is making us feel like the algorithm understands us which

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes I mean I get it it's kind of uncanny like I was on tiktok for five minutes and I

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: immediately got onto like former dance teacher tiktok and I was like how did they know um

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's because I probably like liked a liked a few videos or watched a few videos 15 extra

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: seconds yeah like watching something yeah like it's they don't have some inherent knowledge of me

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: no that I don't have yeah I think and this this is we can't get into this here but I think it also

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like for me brings up this bigger question of like why are we so obsessed with knowing things

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and what I mean is like so trying to have a definitive answer to like yeah am I bisexual

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and I this is complicated because people ask that question at various points in their lives

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think particularly as a young person you are trying to find your place in the world

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean we're all trying to find our place in the world it's just more acute when you're

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: doing it for the first time yeah but yeah I'm just like what if it was okay that we're like

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I am sorting out how I feel or sometimes I feel this way or like what if things could be fluid

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and we didn't have to have a singular answer

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and that answer didn't have to come from a robot overlord

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah what if for example yeah that is so true um yeah we look for some kind of like hard stop answer

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_00]: from outside instead of just like letting ourselves be on our journey yeah and we have

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: talked extensively about all the structural reasons that bisexual people are like I have to

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: prove that I exist yeah because we live in a culture that erases us but yeah please see our

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: entire catalog but also I'm like you know what our liberation is not going to come from proving

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: to straight people or proving to mono-attracted queer people that we exist yeah it's going to

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_00]: come from us just existing yeah um the on the podcast just break up one of the co-hosts

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Sierra de Mulder will often say about like people write it with relationship questions

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and if someone writes in about feeling hurt by someone else's actions or being left by somebody

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: she'll often say like this person who you dated briefly doesn't have some secret knowledge of you

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_00]: which is where I get that phrase from they don't know that you're inherently bad and that's why

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: they left you they're just a person doing things um and I think I've like that really like struck

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: me and I I'm like oh yeah I do give everyone else power and agency and I'm just like well I guess

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the result of whatever other people are doing which doesn't make sense yeah um but

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_00]: like adopting that uh mindset has been very liberating for me um and I still feel attached to

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: um the bisexual label because I love the colors we have a podcast and it like feels true to me but

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm also like it's not the end all be all there's no like we talked about this I think

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: a few episodes ago about like we were talking about compet and I was like there's there might be a world

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in which I wasn't raised in compulsory heteroculture and I was only attracted to women or whatever

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: but like that's not what happened and I'm happy now yeah and so it is what it is there is no

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_00]: secret knowledge of me out there that I don't have yeah um and I think anything anything we

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_01]: can do to get ourselves there feels good to me yeah yeah it's I think interrogating why we want a

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: definitive answer is it because we want to be in community with people who are having a similar

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: experience to us which is valuable yeah is it because like we need we're we need resources

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: or support or like is it because we're looking for validation and like wanting any of those things

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: is fine yeah but you have to go to a place that can actually give that to you

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like if you are looking for the silverware don't open the drawer with the pot holders in it

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that's a good point I want to like live in a world where if you go on chat tbt and you're like am

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: bisexual chat is like you know what I'm not equipped for this but please go listen to the bipod

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: well um if y'all want to hear us talk more about AI or do some live chat gpt prompting

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I guess let us know let us know yeah um anyways goodbye listening to this episode the bipod is

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